Senator PAYNE (New South Wales) (14:09): My question is to the Minister representing the Minister for Indigenous Employment and Economic Development, Minister Ludwig. Can the minister explain why the government has made changes to the Indigenous Employment Program when it is likely to result in the imminent closure of companies such as the Aboriginal Employment Strategy—which has placed over 10,000 Indigenous Australians into real jobs—and the Replay Group, which operates in Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland and the Northern Territory? How will these changes help the government reach the Closing the Gap target of halving the gap in employment outcomes between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians by 2018? Senator Chris Evans: Mr President, I rise on a point of order—just a point of clarification. I am not sure that the senator's question was directed to the right minister. I think the representative minister is actually Senator Wong. It could be me, so I am just checking. I think it is Senator Wong, but I think the question was directed to Senator Ludwig. I wanted to clarify that. Senator PAYNE: I understood that Senator Ludwig was the minister representing Minister Collins from the other place. If that is not the case— The PRESIDENT: Senator Payne, I might help you. I was looking at my sheet as well, to see the representation. My sheet tells me that Senator Wong is the Minister representing the Minister for Indigenous Employment and Economic Development. The question has been heard.