Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:34): I thought it might have been entertaining, but I did not understand it. Under this government no-one would use such a foolish expression as 'deputy sheriff'. In fact, the former Prime Minister— Senator Brandis interjecting— Senator BOB CARR: your great friend John Howard had a view on a US presidential election. John Howard famously said that a victory for Barack Obama would be a victory for Osama bin Laden. The ultimate irony is that it took President Obama to execute Osama bin Laden. Don't talk to me about ill-advised comments by Australian governments. Senator Ludlam: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on relevance. While the minister is waxing lyrical about extrajudicial killings I wonder whether he might draw his answer to the question that I put to him. The PRESIDENT: The minister has 11 seconds remaining. I draw the minister's attention to the question. Senator BOB CARR: I think the families of the victims of September 11 and the families of the victims of Bali would have a view about the suitability of so-called extrajudicial killings. (Time expired)