Senator LUNDY (Australian Capital Territory—Minister Assisting for Industry and Innovation, Minister for Multicultural Affairs and Minister for Sport) (14:52): I think Senator Cash is either a very slow learner or a poor listener, because yesterday I stated—and I am happy to say it again—that the expert panel report does not recommend temporary protection visas, a measure that in the past saw 68 of those refugees permanently remain in Australia. The report also makes it very clear that towbacks create a risk to the lives of Australian Defence Force personnel and would only ever work in agreement with other countries, something Indonesia has said will not happen. If they continue to ask these questions I can only interpret that the coalition does not care if Australian Defence Force personnel put their lives at risk— Senator Brandis: Mr President, I rise on a point of order—on relevance. The question was about the government's policy and specifically about the government's policy failure. It was not about the opposition's policy. Would you please ask the minister to be directly relevant to the question. The PRESIDENT: The minister is answering the question and now has 14 seconds remaining to answer it. Senator LUNDY: The other point I am making here is that we know towbacks will not occur because they require agreement with Indonesia. That has been ruled out by Indonesia. The opposition is living in fantasy land in continuing to put these positions to the government.