Senator CORMANN (Western Australia) (14:15): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. I refer the minister to another of her recent media releases where she said: $70 billion in cuts would be the equivalent of stopping Family Tax Benefit payments for three years or cutting the age pension for two years. Are these the types of programs Labor plans to cut to fund its $120 billion budget black hole? Or will Labor just do what it always does and that is lazily jack up taxes and drive up Labor government debt even further?