Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister Assisting on Queensland Floods Recovery) (14:55): I thank Senator Cash for her question. I think that Senator Cash wants to say yes and wants to agree with our legislation but feels constrained by Mr Abbott. The coalition just does not get it. All expert advice shows that Nauru will not in itself break the people-smuggling trade. The opposition know that. The Greens know that. We already know that. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ludwig, resume your seat. On both sides, if you wish to debate it, it is not long before question time will end and you can do that then. Senator Ludwig, continue. Senator LUDWIG: It is clearly time now for Mr Abbott to pick up the phone, talk to the Prime Minister and put in place a solution that will deter the boats and make sure that people do not risk their lives on unsafe boats. More importantly, you can hang up on Nauru and you can hang up on your tired policies that do not work, but in fact you would be far better placed to say no to some of the baggage of your past, say no to those policies— (Time expired)