Senator ARBIB (New South Wales—Assistant Treasurer, Minister for Small Business, Minister for Sport and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:04): It is a very difficult question to answer in terms of my portfolio, but can I say that it is a bit rich coming from Senator Brandis. In terms of leadership and faceless men, I have to say that I remember when Malcolm Turnbull's leadership came under threat and I can point to all the senators across the other side of the room who did everything they could to filibuster in this place over the CPRS to ensure that Malcolm Turnbull's leadership fell. Senator Brandis: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. Talking about what may or may not have happened in the opposition 3½ years ago is not directly relevant to the issue of whether faceless men will continue to control the Gillard government. Senator Chris Evans: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. As I explained to Senator Brandis yesterday, he seeks to ask questions that, quite frankly, are completely irrelevant to the minister's portfolio. The minister at least tries to provide some response, and he then seeks to take a point of order. The question was out of order. We did not object on the basis that Senator Arbib was quite happy to give as good as he got; but, quite frankly, when the question is out of order, is not related to his portfolio and is so wide ranging, it is pretty hard to see how the minister can respond in any other way than be wide ranging in response. The PRESIDENT: Order! I have asked the minister to respond to that part of the question which might pertain to his portfolio. The minister has 32 seconds remaining. Senator ARBIB: Yes, there was the loyalty shown to Malcolm Turnbull by some of the faceless men and women in the Liberal Party on the Senate benches over there. Senator Bernardi is not here—and Senator Bernardi is a good friend of mine—but if anyone is a faceless man in this parliament, Cory Bernardi takes the cake. The PRESIDENT: Senator Arbib, withdraw that. Senator ARBIB: Mr President, I am happy to withdraw that about Senator Bernardi. He is a good man. Tony Abbott, the Leader of the Opposition, today— The PRESIDENT: Mister. Senator ARBIB: Mr Abbott got some payback from his own people over paid paternity leave. (Time expired)