Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister Assisting on Queensland Floods Recovery) (14:16): Again, those opposite seem to miss the primary point that Fair Work Australia is independent and its own investigation is independent. I do not accept, to begin with, the premise of the question that the provision is there. What I said in my answer to the primary question was that Mr Shorten sought advice and confirms that the general manager— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator LUDWIG: Those opposite do not really want to hear the answer. The PRESIDENT: Order! If people wish to debate the question and the answer that is being given to the question, the time is after question time. Minister, you have 25 seconds remaining. Senator LUDWIG: Thank you, Mr President. As I was saying, Mr Shorten had sought advice and the act does not expressly preclude information being shared in certain circumstances. I do not want to stand in the shoes of the general manager. The general manager would have to determine on their own basis—because they are independent of government—what they can and cannot do, depending on their own advice. It is not up to this government to direct Fair Work Australia— (Time expired) Senator Ronaldson interjecting— Senator Chris Evans interjecting— Senator Conroy interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on both sides! Order! Senators Ronaldson, Evans and Conroy! I remind honourable senators that I am waiting to call Senator Abetz to ask his question.