Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:37): The coalition simply does not get it. Nauru does not work. Senator Cash interjecting— Senator CARR: Senator Cash, you have just announced to the Senate that you believe this is a gift that keeps on giving for the opposition. 'A gift that keeps on giving'—those were the words you used, Senator Cash. You see this as a gift that keeps on giving. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, just resume your seat. There is no need on either side for voices to be raised. Senator CARR: Senator Cash has said that this is 'the gift that keeps on giving'. We could not get a clearer policy position from the Liberal Party, which wants people to get on these leaky boats and to drown at sea. This is the Liberal Party policy writ large—'the gift that keeps on giving'. Senator Ronaldson: Mr President, on a point of order about representation. Senator Cash was referring to Senator Carr when she said he is the gift that keeps on giving. Senator Chris Evans: Mr President, on the point of order: to my hearing Senator Cash said, 'In opposition it is the gift that keeps on giving.' If she has been misrepresented in saying that, as Senator Ronaldson says, we are happy to give her leave to explain what it is she said. But if Senator Ronaldson's point of order is true it will need to be supported by Senator Cash. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. Firstly, I did not hear any comment across the chamber because of the level of noise that is in the chamber. I have said this before. It is very difficult for me to engage in all of that discussion and debate that is going on, quite wrongly according to the standing orders, because to even hear some of it is physically impossible. So I can only rule that there is no point of order at this stage. Senator Carr has 20 seconds remaining to answer the question. Senator CARR: Senator Cash made it very clear what the opposition position is. This is the gift that keeps on giving for the opposition. This is their policy. They want the boats to come because they see— Senator Cash: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. I have been misrepresented by the minister. If the minister cares to review the second question that I asked today, it related to the continued failure by the former Rudd government and the current Gillard government to get this policy area right. In relation to being in opposition, we are here to point out your failures. And, yes, I stand by my words. Your failure in this important policy area is well and truly the gift that keeps on giving. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cash, that is debating the issue. I remind honourable senators that comments across the chamber are completely disorderly. People should address the chair when they are answering questions or asking questions. Senator CARR: Senator Cash has to simply say she did not use those words—nothing less than that. Everyone on this side heard the words. Senator Abetz: Point of order, Mr President. The PRESIDENT: Wait a minute. I was going to tell Senator Carr that that is not the issue that is before the chair. I draw your attention to the question. Come to the question. Senator CARR: The Nauru proposition has not worked, will not work. The Liberal Party's position— (Time expired)