Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:33): Mr President, the government's position on these matters is perfectly clear. What we have indicated is that the arrangements with Malaysia were an appropriate set of circumstances to prevent people drowning at sea. The Liberal opposition's approach— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, resume your seat. When the chamber has resolved that there will be silence we will proceed. Senator CARR: The whole question of the Liberal Party's approach to actually encouraging people to get on a leaky boat— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, resume your seat. If we do not go beyond question 6 or 7 in question time that will not be my fault. Senator CARR: Mr President, the Liberal Party's position is that we should be turning the boats back by way of towing them back to sea. The Australian Navy has indicated, as recently as 19 October, that the practice of turning back boats was dangerous for naval personnel and for asylum seekers. Vice Admiral Ray Griggs said he was personally involved in two incidents— (Time expired) Senator Conroy: I can't believe you are back for more. Senator Cash: The gift that keeps on giving. The PRESIDENT: On both sides, I do not need interjections across the chamber. Order! The time for debating the issue is at the end of question time. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! All this is doing is winding down the amount of time that is available in question time. When there is silence we will proceed. Senator Cash, you are entitled to be heard in silence.