Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:29): I thank Senator Cash for her question; it has been a while. I always welcome a question from Senator Cash. The simple fact of life is that there have been 13 boat arrivals since Mr Abbott chose to sabotage the government's program in regard to Malaysia. It is quite clear that those opposite are highly sensitive on this issue. We have had a series of numbers thrown across the chamber but they do not want to hear the facts on this matter which are that there have been 13 boat arrivals since Mr Abbott chose to wreck the government's program in regard to the Malaysian— Senator Cash: Mr President, I raise a point of order in relation to relevance. My question was quite a simple one. Did Mr Rudd get it right or did Ms Gillard get it right? The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. The minister still has 59 seconds remaining. Senator CARR: Thank you, Mr President. On 18 October 2011 there was SIEV 268, which had 51 people on board. On 22 October 2011 there was SIEV 269, where 15 people were on board. On 22 October— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator CARR: I have been asked to describe the numbers, and I am describing the numbers in some detail. We have, of course, 13 boat arrivals since Mr Abbott chose to sabotage the approach that the government had taken in regard to the Malaysian agreement. And you have to take responsibility for that. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, resume your seat. If senators wish to debate this issue the time is at three o'clock. Senator CARR: Mr President, what we have seen is that the Liberal Party are all at sea on this issue because it is quite clear that the implications of their policy position have not been understood by them so far—that every single boat that arrives will be down to Mr Abbott. (Time expired)