Senator RHIANNON (New South Wales) (14:48): I direct my question to the Minister for Tertiary Education, Skills, Jobs and Workplace Relations, Senator Evans. In a letter you sent to the New South Wales Labor MP Carmel Tebbutt on 29 September this year about concerns raised by the New South Wales Teachers Federation concerning vocational education and training, you stated that there was a role for healthy competition between public and private VET providers. How do you regard as healthy competition the huge profits being made by private providers as a result of the funding growth in their sector, given that private provider tenderers have been exempted from providing lists— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Rhiannon, you are entitled to be heard in silence. Order! Go back to the second part of the question; I did not hear it. Senator RHIANNON: Thank you, Mr President. How do you regard as healthy competition the huge profits being made by private providers as a result of the funding growth in their sector given that private provider tenderers have been exempted from providing lists of teachers and facilities they will use and when the growth in profits of private providers is being underwritten by students paying VET FEE-HELP loans?