Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:42): It would help if Senator Colbeck were actually supporting these measures. If he was actually serious about supporting steel innovation and supporting the steel industry, he would be supporting this scheme. But he is not. This is a clear example of the Liberal Party's view that it is all right to scramble to office on the back of cheap publicity around their alleged sympathy for workers in manufacturing without being prepared to do anything about it. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on both sides! The interjections do not help in listening to the answer. Senator CARR: The $300 million Steel Transformation Plan will encourage investment, it will encourage innovation and it will encourage competitiveness for the Australian steel manufacturing industry. It will help transform the industry through increasing efficiency and by ensuring that the industry is economically sustainable in a low-carbon economy. The additional support is coming through various investments through the Jobs and Competitiveness Program and through our research program—where we see, for instance, that the CSIRO is working closely with BlueScope Steel and other steel manufacturers to develop opportunities for further innovation in the industry. It is not just a question of the $300 million we are providing through this scheme but of the hundreds of millions of dollars that are being provided through a whole range of measures that this government is committed to. Senator Abetz: No. Senator CARR: It is billions of dollars, Senator. You are actually voting against billions of dollars in support for manufacturing in this country. You cannot have it both ways. If you vote against the support, you have to wear the responsibility for your turning your back on manufacturing workers of this country, and that is precisely what you are doing. There are billions of dollars in support provided to manufacturing workers through this steel innovation council, through the steel transformation scheme and through the various measures this government is proposing to pursue through this package of legislation coming into the Senate shortly.