Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:45): Senator Colbeck, I just want to be clear about this. You are saying you will not support the industry getting any money at all, and you want to argue the toss about how many years the support goes for. It is an extraordinarily contradictory position. Do you support this scheme or don't you? Do you support providing assistance to the steel industry or don't you? Do you support steelworkers or don't you? These are pretty fundamental questions, Senator, and so far all I have heard from you is that you do not. You are turning your back on the steel industry of this country. You are turning your back on workers of this country. Senator Brandis: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on direct relevance: the minister has obviously gone nowhere near the question. He was asked a narrow, specific question: will the compensation under the plan run beyond 2015-16? He has not even approached that question. The PRESIDENT: The minister has 27 seconds remaining to answer the question. Minister, I draw your attention to the question. Senator CARR: The question is about whether or not we will provide assistance for the out years, and the answer is that we will. We are providing assistance through a range of measures. We are providing assistance on the basis of there being innovation undertaken within the steel industry. We come back to the simple proposition: do you support a steel industry in this country or don't you? All I hear so far is: no, you do not. You do not support workers of this country. You do not support manufacturing. What you do support— (Time expired)