Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Minister Assisting the Attorney-General on Queensland Floods Recovery) (14:50): What we have done is allow a lead time for the transport industry. Like many other industries, there is a lead time for them to develop alternative and more efficient ways of dealing with this. But this government is determined to ensure that we have a clean energy future, that we put a price on carbon, that we do reduce our carbon emissions. The agricultural industry and a range of industries will benefit significantly from this package, because what we intend to do when the Senate passes this legislation is create opportunities in both reducing and sequestering carbon. But more importantly— Senator Williams: On a point of order, Mr President: the question clearly asks whether they are going to abandon the fuel tax proposed for 1 July 2014 on the transport industry, which has been called a death tax by the Transport Workers Union. That is the question. Could the minister answer it directly, please. Senator Conroy: Mr President, on the point of order: far be it from me to disagree with my good friend, the senator down there, but he did not come close to articulating the question! Government senators: Wacka. Senator Conroy: I did not want to say Wacka. Senator Joyce: Mr President, my point of order goes to the proper way of referring to my colleague. Minister Conroy, it is Senator Williams, not 'senator down there'. 'Senator down there' could be any of us or the whole lot of us. Senator out there—that is you, Senator Conroy! The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. Senator Conroy, have you finished? Senator Conroy: Yes, I have finished. There was no point of order, effectively. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ludwig now has 15 seconds remaining to answer the question. Senator LUDWIG: I was answering the second supplementary question and did go to the benefits and how the industries were dealing with this—I was not going to take that point of order. More important, what we are looking for— (Time expired)