Senator ARBIB (New South Wales—Minister for Sport, Minister for Indigenous Employment and Economic Development and Minister for Social Housing and Homelessness) (14:41): Senator Fifield knows full well the support that this federal Labor government has given to the not-for-profit sector, the support during the global financial crisis that we provided to that sector. Liberal senators on that side voted against support to charities. They voted against support through the jobs fund—they voted against it time and time again. They should be ashamed of themselves. Senator Fifield has the hide to come in here and question our commitment to the not-for-profit sector. We have worked with them day in, day out. Senator Fifield: Mr President, a point of order on relevance: the minister is not even being relevant to his own policies. The government only provided $11 million in direct funding support during the financial crisis. The PRESIDENT: That is debating the issue. Order! The debate on the issue takes place after 3 pm, as I keep pointing out. The minister has 22 seconds remaining. Senator ARBIB: Mr President, I am being directly relevant to the question Senator Fifield asked about our commitment to not-for-profits, to the charity sector. There is $5 billion going now into the homelessness area, 180 extra services being rolled out. We have made the commitment. Those over on that side cut funding of services and now they have a $70 billion black hole. That money is going to come out of services. (Time expired)