Senator ARBIB (New South Wales—Minister for Sport, Minister for Indigenous Employment and Economic Development and Minister for Social Housing and Homelessness) (14:36): The federal government will provide assistance to community organisations, and this has been outlined extensively by the Prime Minister and by Minister Combet. Charities around the country will be supported as we transition to the Clean Energy Future. The Low Carbon Communities program will fund grants for local councils and community organisations to retrofit or upgrade community-use buildings to reduce their energy use. This will cut their energy costs and serve as demonstration projects to promote energy efficiency in the community. There will also be a dedicated funding stream under the Low Carbon Communities program to provide payments to charities to offset the carbon cost they will face for aviation fuels and fuels used for maritime purposes that will attract an effective carbon price under the fuel excise and tax credits scheme. This funding will be provided on an ongoing basis. So there will be support. We have also committed $53.6 million over four years to establish the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission from July next year to reduce compliance costs and make it easier for not-for-profits to go about their business of continuing to a fairer— Senator Fifield: Mr President, a point of order on relevance: I am not sure that Scout groups, for instance, use a heck of a lot of aviation fuel, so I am not sure how that particular measure would help these organisations. The question was specifically about compensation for carbon tax cost increases—not about retrofitting, not about light bulbs but cost increases. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. I believe the minister is answering the question and has 30 seconds remaining to answer the question. Senator ARBIB: Thank you, Mr President. I was talking in terms of charities as the question related to them. Let us look at the alternative. Let us look at direct action and the effect that is going to have on charities and households, because we now know that the average household will be over $1,000 worse off under direct action—taking money from families and from the communities and giving it to big business. This is the policy under the Liberal Party. (Time expired) Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: When you have ceased the debate across the chamber, we will continue. Senator Sherry interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Sherry, I have invited people to desist from debating this across the chamber. The time you can debate it is past three o'clock.