Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (14:02): In answer to the Leader of the Opposition's question I would remind him that he and I, the government and the opposition have exactly the same target for the reduction of carbon pollution in 2020. The figures that he refers to are figures which would apply to his target as well. What the Leader of the Opposition fails to recognise is the difference in the two schemes. Ours is a price that is paid by big polluters and as a result we cut carbon pollution. We then use that revenue to assist Australian families by cutting tax, increasing family payments and increasing pensions. We protect Australian jobs and we invest in a clean energy future. Under the Leader of the Opposition's plan to reach exactly the same target he puts a tax on families— Mr Abbott: Mr Speaker, I rise on a point of order on direct relevance. I asked her about her plan which shows that emissions will actually increase from 578 million tonnes to 621 million tonnes with the carbon tax. What is the point, Prime Minister? The SPEAKER: The Leader of the Opposition has made his point of order. The Prime Minister has the call. She knows her responsibilities. Ms GILLARD: Under the Leader of the Opposition's plan he would oppose additional tax on Australian families. He would give that money to big polluters, he would cut pensions and he would cut family payments. Here we go again. We are apparently back to that moment where the Leader of the Opposition went to a meeting and decried his own target as crazy, only within 24 or 48 hours to recant from that. We are back to that moment again so— Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: The House will come to order. The Prime Minister must directly relate her material to the question and she will be heard in silence. Ms GILLARD: I am directing my answer to the target of the government and the opposition for the reduction of carbon pollution in 2020. The difference here is that the government backs that target in every day of the week, the Leader of the Opposition tailors his answers on that target to whatever audience he is speaking to that day.