Senator CHRIS EVANS (Western Australia—Minister for Tertiary Education, Skills, Jobs and Workplace Relations and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (15:03): As I understand it there are two alternative policy positions. They both relate to downgrading workers' wages and conditions and removing protections. There is the half of the Liberal Party who believe in being honest about that and advocating that at the next election, and the other half who say, 'Let's not talk about it; let's wait until after the election. If we win we'll introduce again the Work Choices agenda.' Peter Reith belled the cat. He also learned that Tony Abbott cannot be trusted: 'I will vote for you mate but—' What we now know is that the Liberal Party is having an ideological debate. Honourable members interjecting. The PRESIDENT: Senator Evans, resume your seat for a moment. Both sides! Senator Evans you have 17 seconds remaining to answer the question. Senator CHRIS EVANS: The Australian people will work out—like Peter Reith did—that Tony Abbott cannot be trusted. He said that Work Choices was dead, cremated and buried, but we know that it is alive, kicking and back. The only argument in the Liberal Party is whether to come clean about their real intentions. (Time expired) Senator Chris Evans: I ask that further questions be placed on the Notice Paper.