Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Minister Assisting the Attorney-General on Queensland Floods Recovery) (14:01): In terms of complying with OIE international standards—that is, meeting those relevant standards—in Indonesia, can I say at the outset that the industry working group set up by me has been working through the standards document. This is an issue that the opposition fails to appreciate the subtlety of, but it is quite plain to those who understand this issue. We are putting in place tracking—in other words, so the standards meet supply chain assurance. It is does not rise or fall on whether an abattoir is up to standard or meets OIE guidelines. What is required is that there be supply chain assurance in place—that is, the supply chain for tracking animals from onshore through to the boat, through to the feedlot and then from the feedlot to the slaughter yard. This requires both tracking and transparency in the supply chain plus independent auditing at the abattoir—all the way through. All of those elements are required. So it is not only that the abattoirs themselves are required to meet OIE standards, because they are; but it is important to note that for the— Senator Scullion: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on relevance. The question was quite a simple one: is the government aware of any abattoirs in Indonesia that currently comply with World Organisation for Animal Health, OIE, standards? The minister has on a number of occasions provided exactly the same answer he is providing now. I would like him to answer the question. Is he aware of any abattoirs in Indonesia that currently meet OIE standards? The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. Senator LUDWIG: I understand the opposition's interest in this. While abattoirs are a key link in the supply chain, they are not the only part. What is important is to be able to ascertain that animals are being handled well throughout the process and that the exporters have certainty about where the animals they export are being slaughtered. It is important not to focus on, as the opposition is, on the specific abattoirs but on the entire supply chain, including ensuring animals can be traced from ship to feedlot to abattoir. There is a clear need for transparency and independent auditing in respect of that supply chain. Senator Heffernan: Mr President, I rose some time ago on a point of order. The PRESIDENT: I am sorry, Senator Heffernan; I did not— Senator Heffernan: My point of order is that the report to which the minister refers is here and in it is the full traceability program adopted by the industry. The PRESIDENT: That is not a point of order. Senator Heffernan, that is a debating point, which you can pursue at the end of question time.