Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Minister Assisting the Attorney-General on Queensland Floods Recovery) (14:16): The suspension earlier has been lifted. Industry is now able to apply for export permits and, once applications can demonstrate that they meet conditions which are in the export permit, then the trade will— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Just wait a minute. When there is silence— Senator Cormann: Why doesn't he give us a date? Give us a date. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cormann, it is one on your side who is on his feet seeking a point of order. He is entitled to be heard in silence. Senator Brandis: Mr President, I raise a point of order on direct relevance. The minister may only be 20 seconds or so into his answer, but he was asked only one thing: he was asked a date. That is the only answer that can be directly relevant, because it was the only question that was asked. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Wait a minute, Senator Conroy. I will run question time, and I will call you when you are to be given the call. When there is silence, we will proceed. Senator Conroy: On the point of order, Mr President: it is clear once again that those opposite, and Senator Brandis, have predetermined what the answer should be, and they seek to get you to enforce the answer they want. Standing orders do not permit you to do this. This is not a point of order, and Senator Ludwig has been detailing an answer to the very question he was asked. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: When there is silence we will proceed—once a moment of peace has broken out across the chamber. I need silence, though. There is no point of order. Senator Ludwig, you have one minute and 38 seconds remaining. You are aware of the question. Senator LUDWIG: I am aware of the question, because the question which I am answering is this—if those opposite have been listening for some time. But they are closed to the answer, because the answer is that the export permits now have a regulatory regime in place. When an exporter requests a permit, comes forward and can demonstrate they meet those requirements, then the permits will be issued and they will be able to use their Indonesian permits, and the trade will recommence. It is a clear process. Those opposite, of course, would want the trade to recommence without the supply chain assurance and without safeguards that animals will not be mistreated as we saw on that video on Four Corners. What those opposite are arguing for is an immediate resumption of the trade from day one, or a continuation of the trade. What this government has put in place is a supply chain assurance which demonstrates that we have tracking, transparency and independent auditing of that supply chain so that people such as Elders or Wellard, who are near ready as I am informed, can come forward to the department—to the regulator—and have the supply chain assurance conditions met. When they are met, they will then be able to recommence the trade. It is a simple proposition. It is difficult to see why the opposition do not understand that, but it is a simple proposition: as soon as Elders, Wellard or other companies want to seek an export permit— (Time expired)