Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:20): We have laid out a clear plan to return the budget to surplus in 2012-13 and we are determined to get there. Those opposite may not like the fact that we have demonstrated fiscal restraint and credibility, in stark contrast to them, but those are the facts. It is true, there is no doubt, that events in the global economy do make that task more difficult— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, you might just resume your seat for a moment so that people can settle down and I can listen to the answer. Senator Ronaldson: This claptrap is intolerable. Was it a lie or wasn't it a lie—yes or no? The PRESIDENT: Senator Ronaldson, if people wish to debate the issue, the time for that is three o'clock. You know that as well as I do. Senator Conroy interjecting— Senator Brandis interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Brandis and Senator Conroy, if you wish to have a discussion about Queensland, I suggest you go outside. Senator WONG: As I said, we have a clear plan to return the budget to surplus in 2012-13 and we are determined to get there. We put forward our budget to the Australian people and to this parliament. What I would say is this: I wonder if the $70 billion is a promise? I wonder if the $70 billion is a commitment? I wonder if the $70 billion will ever be delivered on? Senator Brandis: Mr President, a point of order on direct relevance: I only want to know one thing: is it still a promise? The PRESIDENT: Order! There is no point of order. Senator Wong, continue—you have 15 seconds. Senator Ludwig interjecting— Senator Ronaldson interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ronaldson and Senator Ludwig, if you wish to go outside, go outside and have your discussion. Senator WONG: I am sure the Australian people will be very interested in knowing whether or not the $70 billion is a promise. We have a budget. We have put it forward to the Australian people through this parliament, clearly costed, based on Treasury and Finance advice—the same people who found your first black hole. It is a smaller black hole— (Time expired)