Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:18): Mr President, I am very happy to answer that, although it is not a supplementary question, I would submit. I am not sure what it had to do with a carbon price. Unlike those opposite, the government have a clear plan to return the budget to surplus in 2012-13 and we are determined to get there. We laid that plan out in the budget, we made the savings decisions that were required, we exercised restraint in expenditure so that, on average, the growth in expenditure is one per cent— Senator Ian Macdonald: What a joke! Senator WONG: I will take that interjection from the very loud senator at the end there and make the point that if you want to find that kind of restraint in expenditure over a five-year period you have to go back to the 1980s. It was not ever achieved by Mr Costello. The reality is: we have a plan; they do not. The opposition have a $70 billion black hole just to get them to the starting line. That is what they have. (Time expired)