Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (15:01): It is amusing—we have a senator here who would rip the wings off butterflies, if she thought there was a vote in it, who wants to give us lectures on the moral welfare— Senator Abetz interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I heard your interjection, Senator Abetz. I must confess that I did not hear what was said. Senator Abetz: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. I am sure that, on mature reflection, without needing to repeat the words, Senator Cameron will withdraw that of which he accused Senator Cash. The PRESIDENT: Senator Abetz, I did not hear anything at all. One of the difficulties that I have expressed this afternoon—and it has been not just been one side of the chamber but from both sides—is the constant interjection, which has made it very difficult— Senator Joyce interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Joyce! It has made it difficult to hear what some people are saying in this chamber, and that is not fair to either the person who has asked the question or the person who is answering the question. Senator Abetz has raised an issue with me now and there was no way that I heard what was said, or purportedly said, in the chamber. Senator Cameron: Mr President, I withdraw. The PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. Senator Carr, continue. Senator CARR: Malaysia has made a firm commitment to treat transferred asylum seekers with dignity, with respect and in accordance with the human rights standards. Appropriate protections will be in place for those who are transferred. Senator Cash knows that. What she is seeking to do represents such a new-found commitment to human rights for refugees. It truly is a galling speech to have to listen to from that quarter. We have a clear undertaking from the Malaysian government. The Australian government is concerned to ensure that asylum seekers are treated with respect and are treated with dignity, and that is what will happen under the terms of these arrangements.