Senator CHRIS EVANS (Western Australia—Minister for Tertiary Education, Skills, Jobs and Workplace Relations and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:59): As the Prime Minister has been at pains to explain, there will be no refoulement. Malaysia will commit to no refoulement of persons who are transferred. A precondition of the arrangement is that those who will be transferred will be treated with dignity and humanity, as they have been under this government and will continue to be so. As a mark of that, we have asked for the UNHCR and the IOM to be involved in the handling of those people transferred to Malaysia. The UNHCR and IOM will not be involved— Senator Brandis: I rise on a point of order on relevance, Mr President. The question was: are there no non-negotiable conditions? This is all context and background; it is not directly relevant to that which was asked: are there no non-negotiable conditions? The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. Minister, you have 24 seconds remaining to address the question. Senator CHRIS EVANS: Senator Brandis clearly does not listen. The point I was making was that a non-negotiable condition is that there be no reform and that people be treated with dignity and humanity. I was outlining two of those conditions. As I indicated, we have sought to involve other agencies, like the UNHCR and IOM, to ensure that there is appropriate input from those organisations with these arrangements. (Time expired)