Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:03): I am unsure what the good senator is suggesting. I am assuming that he is not suggesting that the opposition would be so reckless as to not pass that amendment. That would be unprecedented. Even Senator Joyce— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! It is completely disorderly for people on both sides to be shouting across the chamber during question time. Senator Cormann: Mr President, on a point of order relating to the requirement for the minister to be directly relevant, I asked a very specific question about a date on which the government is going to run out of money unless the parliament agrees to another $50 billion worth of debt. The minister, other than loading a lot of abuse on the opposition, has not come anywhere near providing an answer to that very specific question about a specific date. Senator Ludwig: On that point order, Mr President, the minister was very relevant because underlying that question was the issue that the minister was responding to. It would be inappropriate for me to use the point of order to do that, unlike how the opposition occasionally do. The minister has been dealing with the question by being directly relevant in responding to the question. I humbly submit that there is no point of order. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. Senator Wong, you still have 40 seconds remaining to address the question. Senator WONG: As I said, even Senator Joyce in public comments today made clear that even the opposition would not be so reckless as to oppose such an amendment. Senator Cormann knows that the amount of gross debt is articulated in the budget papers. It might assist him to be aware that the budget papers represent the market value of Commonwealth government securities as opposed to the legislation, which of course represents the face value.