Mr BURKE (Watson—Minister for the Arts, Minister for Home Affairs, Minister for Cyber Security, Minister for Immigration and Citizenship and Leader of the House) (14:29): It would be many, many months since I've had a conversation with Dr Jamal Rifi on that particular issue—very many months since I've had a conversation on that. Mr Violi interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The member for Casey is going to leave the chamber under 94(a). The member for Casey then left the chamber. The SPEAKER: This continual— Government members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! Members on my right are not helping the situation. This continual conversation, non-stop, during answers is not going to continue. The minister in continuation. Mr BURKE: What followed, the last time that I think Dr Jamal Rifi was present at a meeting I had on this issue, was a letter from Save the Children, who were also at that meeting, which included this sentence: 'We are deeply disappointed with this decision to refuse assistance to Australians in trouble overseas.' Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: We'll just be clear. The minister was asked a question about an individual. He was giving information to the House about the individual and the meeting he had, so there's no way he could be any more directly relevant than he was.