Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:56): Thank you to the senator for his question. We don't really need to speculate about the risks after what has happened over there over the course of the last few weeks. It's like a game of snakes and ladders without the ladders over there at the moment. After we've seen all that, the person most responsible, who's done more to damage Australia's energy security and electricity system, is the man who was described by a former Liberal prime minister as 'Australia's best qualified idiot'. That's what he said—'Australia's best qualified idiot'. There's been more damage to Australia's electricity and gas system from Mr Taylor than from any other person in our history. This man now wants to be the Prime Minister. Senator Paterson: A point of order—Senator Ghosh asked about cheap energy. I think Australians are wondering when that's coming. The PRESIDENT: That is not a point of order, Senator Paterson. Senator AYRES: I mean, maybe with the same sense of anticipation that the people over at your joint were thinking about whether they were going to get breakfast or not at your fantastic hosting of that really well-celebrated event when you said you were supporting the leader. This is the same Mr Taylor who, when 24 out of 28 Australian coal-fired power stations announced their closure, did precisely nothing—'Fantastic. Great move. Well done Angus'—who changed the law just ahead of the 2022 election to hide electricity price hikes from ordinary Australians—'Fantastic. Great move. Well done Angus'—who promised to spend $1 billion to deliver an extra— The PRESIDENT: Order! Minister, the time for responding has expired. I remind you to refer to those in the other place by their correct titles, and I remind you to answer the question as given to you by Senator Ghosh. Senator Ghosh, first supplementary?