Ms WELLS (Lilley—Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications) (14:33): I thank the shadow minister for communications for her question. I'm sure, as the shadow minister for communications, she would recall that, a few sitting weeks ago, we introduced enhancing consumer safeguards legislation to this place, where we enhanced penalties for telcos doing the wrong thing by 40 times. So penalties are now up to $10 million and more in particular situations. So I believe—and, I believe, with her support—this House is already considering penalties. I offer, in good faith, that, if that is a live issue for you, given this bill is before the House, we can continue to work on penalties where it is already tabled in the House. I'm done. The SPEAKER: I think the minister has concluded, but I will hear from the Manager of Opposition Business. Mr Hawke: The bill is not before the House. The bill has passed the House. The bill has already passed. We asked if she would review her decision. The Prime Minister has just offered to quadruple the penalties. He just asked us across the table— The SPEAKER: That is not a point of order. Mr Hawke: so we're confused about government policy. Mr Albanese interjecting— Mr Hawke: Well, you asked— The SPEAKER: Resume your seat. The minister has concluded her answer. The manager made a point of order or a statement to the House. We're going to get the House to settle and come to order, and we will hear from the honourable member for Aston.