Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (14:34): I thank the Leader of the National Party for his question. He has once again disappointed the Leader of the House, but one of these days I am sure he will make the Leader of the House's day by asking him a question on infrastructure. In answer to the Leader of the National Party's question, we are determined to work with coal as we are determined to work with business generally in order to get the design of carbon pricing right. We will be working to ensure that we are protecting Australian jobs. We are cutting carbon pollution. We are assisting Australian families. We are funding programs that get us ready for the clean energy economy of the future and that tackle climate change. The Leader of the National Party asks me on these debates about pricing carbon, 'Who takes what position in these debates?' I say to the Leader of the National Party that perhaps he might want to explain to me who the senior Liberal was who said: You can't take money away from pensioners, it would kill us. The Leader of the National Party says that he is interested in Australian jobs and the future of the coal industry— Mr Pyne: Mr Speaker, I rise on a point of order. The Prime Minister keeps raising this point about the pension but she was the cabinet minister who did not even want pensioners to get a rise in their pensions, so how can it be directly relevant to the question? I ask you to draw her back to the question. The SPEAKER: The Prime Minister is aware of the obligations under the standing orders. Mr Albanese: Mr Speaker, I rise on a point of order that goes to disorderly conduct. On a number of occasions but none more blatantly than the last one, the Manager of Opposition Business, in the guise of raising a point of order, has chosen to make a debating point. It is clearly disorderly. You have already indicated to the Manager of Opposition Business that such action was disorderly and I ask you to take action. The SPEAKER: The action I will take is that I will call the Prime Minister. Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! It is not a matter for derision. For those who think it is, it may be a faint victory as they observe proceedings from outside. Ms GILLARD: I understand that members of the opposition frontbench will do anything to distract Australians from the very simple truth behind this carbon pricing debate. And the very simple truth behind this carbon pricing debate is that I believe climate change is real; the Leader of the Opposition does not. I believe we have to cut carbon pollution; the Leader of the Opposition has plans to see carbon pollution rise. I believe big polluters should pay; the Leader of the Opposition wants to take funds from Australian families and give them to big polluters. I believe Australian families and pensioners should be assisted; the Leader of the Opposition wants to claw that assistance away from pensioners and Australian families—take money away from people who are already challenged by cost-of-living pressures. I want to protect Australian jobs, which is why the government have a proud record of supporting Australian employment, including during the global financial crisis and continuing with that support to the present day with 750,000 jobs created so far and half a million more to be created in the two years to come. The Leader of the Opposition literally slept through the key measures to support Australian jobs during the days of the global financial crisis. He literally could not be bothered getting out of bed to protect the Australian jobs. Through their interjections and bellowing, through their belief that if you shout loud enough someone will believe you, I understand that the Leader of the Opposition just wants to distract from all of this. But the truth could not be clearer. We will put a price on carbon pollution. We will put it on the big polluters. We will provide assistance to Australian families. We will protect Australian jobs. And we will tackle climate change.