Mr ABBOTT (Warringah—Prime Minister) (14:51): Well, the member that asked the question wants the person in question to pay a PBS co-payment. The member who asked the question wants the person about whom she has asked this question— Ms Kate Ellis interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Adelaide will desist! Mr ABBOTT: to face a PBS co-payment. Not for a second do I pretend that people with chronic illness— Ms Owens interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Parramatta is warned! Mr ABBOTT: are having an easy time of it. Not for a second do I pretend that things are easy for people with chronic illness. Ms King: Why are you making it harder for them? The SPEAKER: The member for Ballarat has asked her question and will desist! Mr ABBOTT: But, if it is right and proper for the member for Ballarat to insist on people with chronic illness paying a modest co-payment on their PBS medicines, why isn't it right and proper for us to say that, for some early visits, there should be a modest co-payment for visits to the doctor? The Labor Party under Bob Hawke introduced a co-payment. When the member for Jagajaga was the health adviser to the relevant minister the Labor Party introduced a Medicare co-payment. The Labor Party's shadow Assistant Treasurer thinks a co-payment makes sense, and if they want to repudiate his statements, they had better repudiate him and tell him that he cannot sit on their front bench—(Time expired)