Senator FIFIELD (Victoria—Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Assistant Minister for Social Services) (14:12): The first thing that Senator Polley and Mr Shorten need to do is to actually understand what they are talking about. Mr Shorten this morning, with Senator Polley, at a press conference said— Senator Jacinta Collins: Hasn’t George warned you about overconfidence? Senator FIFIELD: He called for the reinstatement of what he called the 'dementia and other diseases supplement'. In fact, there was no such supplement. It was the dementia and severe behaviours supplement. So he does not even know what the supplement was intended to do in the first place. His other mistake was to refer to it as a $16 supplement paid to people— Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. It is on direct relevance. We appreciate the minister's comments about the newscast this morning. This question was specifically about a quote from Mr Marcus Riley. Could we get to that quote before the end of the minister's time? The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Moore. The question also contained a fairly long preamble. And the minister has 30 seconds to answer the question. Senator Wong: Mr President, with respect— The PRESIDENT: Is that a point of order, Senator Wong? Senator Wong: On the point of order, there is no preamble. It is simply— Senator Ian Macdonald: He has ruled on the point of order! The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong: I appreciate, Mr President, with all of the interjection in the chamber you may not have had the opportunity— Senator Ian Macdonald: He has already ruled on the point of order! The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Macdonald! Senator Wong: You may not have had the opportunity to listen to the question. There is, actually, very little preamble. It is simply a reference to the comments and then a full quote. The question is whether or not the minister agreed. That is the only point in the question. The PRESIDENT: And, Senator Wong, you were rising to your feet as I was continuing to explain that I heard the question, I have heard the answer—a part of it so far—and the minister has 30 seconds left to answer the question. Senator FIFIELD: Thank you, Mr President. Mr Shorten also this morning referred to the cutting of a $16 payment to people living with dementia. The payment never went to people living with— Senator Moore: I rise on a point of order with respect to direct relevance. You drew the attention of the minister to the question and there has been no return to the specific question that was asked. The PRESIDENT: He was on his feet for five seconds. He has 23 seconds left. Senator FIFIELD: Thank you. The issue remains that of third-party comment. Let me refer to Dr Stephen Judd, who is reported to have said: “Its cessation had to happen,” he said. “There is still a place to have a supplement but it has to be focused and targeted to that small group with severe behaviours— Senator Moore: I rise on a point of order, again, with respect to direct relevance. We still have not got to the question asked by Senator Polly: the comment made by Mr Marcus Riley, and the minister's opinion of that question. The PRESIDENT: I draw the minister's attention to the question. The minister has eight seconds to answer the question. Senator FIFIELD: I thought it would be helpful to the chamber to have another third-party comment.