Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:56): It's a tough day for our colleagues in the National Party. I know that our opponents hope for and pray for a little bit of bad performance, because nothing fills their hearts full of joy more than a bad outcome. But this is an unambiguously good outcome. It is true—it's a bit like the opposition's approach to covert accounting in a range of other areas—that during the COVID period emissions in areas like transport declined. That is true. But what has happened here is an unambiguously good outcome where the equivalent of our whole aviation sector, in emissions terms, has reduced. Senator Canavan: No, that's not it, mate. That's not it. The PRESIDENT: Senator Canavan, you've asked your question. Senator AYRES: I don't want to trigger anybody over there, but it is an uptick in emissions performance. And that is a good thing. But I know that this question really is framed by the politics of negativity and the old fogey politics of hating on the science of climate change, hating on emissions reduction and really being absolutely focused on trying to talk national endeavour in these areas down. By all means, continue on that path. The PRESIDENT: Senator Canavan, first supplementary?