Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:53): I thank Senator Chandler for her first question. The truth of the matter, Senator Chandler, is that, in order to get to net zero—a policy that your party used to support— Senator Sterle: Legislated. Senator FARRELL: and legislated for—then that transition is going to require a transition fuel, and that transition fuel in this country is going to be gas. This government makes no apology—no apology whatsoever—for saying that gas is part of the mix to get to net zero. I don't believe that there's anything inconsistent with what we signed last week or with the sensible policies that this government has adopted. We're right— The PRESIDENT: Minister, thank you. Senator Chandler: I have a point of order on relevance. I asked quite specifically about the government modelling of the cost to the Australian people of ending a quarter of our exports. The trade minister has gone nowhere near answering that part of the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Chandler, there was quite a preamble to that question, and the minister is being relevant to the question. Senator FARRELL: Senator Chandler, we don't need any modelling to know that we're going to need gas in the mix to get to net zero. Senator Canavan: The agreement is to end gas! Senator FARRELL: Senator Canavan, here we are adopting a policy that I assume you support, which is the continued use of gas to get to net zero. There is nothing magical about this. The PRESIDENT: Senator Chandler, first supplementary?