Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:18): Thank you to Senator Ruston for the question. You're right, Senator: people should be able to access quality aged care, and we know that, in a situation where aged-care services are insufficient, there is pressure on the public hospital regime. I would remind you, Senator, that you were part of a government whose management of aged care was described in one word by the royal commission as 'neglect'. Now we are working— The PRESIDENT: Minister Wong, please resume your seat. Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: Once again, on relevance, I'm actually talking about the last 12 months, not something that happened five years ago. The PRESIDENT: The minister is being relevant to your question, Senator Ruston. Senator WONG: Senator, you are one of the people in this place who do understand these issues, and you would know that the consequences of the cutting of $2.5 billion from aged care by the government of which you were a part have been long lasting. It is the case that we want to have more aged-care beds. It is the case that governments know that, if you don't have sufficient support for older Australians, it does put pressure on public hospitals— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, second supplementary?