Senator McKENZIE (Victoria—Leader of the Nationals in the Senate) (14:07): On David Speers's ABC podcast this week, former Treasury secretary Ken Henry said: 'If you have to provide a permanent or semipermanent rebate for something, then you're saying that your policy settings are wrong—your energy policy settings are wrong'. Given the government's only answer to soaring energy prices is an unsustainable rebate, do you agree with Mr Henry that the government's energy policy settings are wrong?