Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for the National Disability Insurance Scheme) (14:06): Thank you, President, for the guidance. Senator Ruston, I think the best way I can answer your question is this. From the very outset, we have sought to work with the opposition on the reform of the aged-care system, and there is good reason for that. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: I would just like to draw to the chamber's attention that the minister is actually making statements that she does not know to be true— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, that is a debating point. There is no point of order for this answer. I have explained the nature of your question. I have invited the minister to respond in her capacity as the portfolio minister. Senator McALLISTER: In answer to Senator Ruston's question, the point I seek to make is that it is a good thing if the government and the opposition can work together on significant reform. It's important because these are challenging reforms that matter to older Australians. It's important because implementing them well means providing certainty to providers and the workforce and means significant change that will endure over time. That is why we sought to work with the opposition on the original legislation and also on the legislation that is before the Senate at the moment.