Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for the National Disability Insurance Scheme) (14:06): I thank Senator Ruston for the question. We are a Labor government and we, in some essential way, understand how important home care can be for older Australians and their families. Older Australians tell us that they want to spend as much time at home as they possibly can, and we know that their families want that too. That is precisely what our reforms are designed to deliver. There is a lot of work to do. There is a lot of work to do because the record of the previous government was very, very bad. Indeed, it was a record that was characterised notoriously as 'neglect'. Everybody remembers that. It was a situation characterised by neglect. Senator Ruston: I have a point of order on direct relevance. I merely asked the minister to advise the chamber of how many older Australians are waiting to receive their home-care packages. She has gone nowhere near answering that question. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Ruston. I will direct the minister to your question. Your question also talked about numbers at the beginning, so it wasn't a direct question. But I'm happy to direct the minister— Senator Ruston interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, you're not in a debate with me. Minister McAllister, I'll draw you back to the question. Senator McALLISTER: As the senator knows, this was canvassed in the hearing on Friday, and I understand that senators were informed that, as of 31 March, the national priority system data showed 87,597 people waiting for an approved home-care package. The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: Once again, it's on direct relevance. I actually acknowledged that in my question. I was merely asking the minister to tell us how many more people have joined that priority list since the date of 31 March 2025. The PRESIDENT: I think the minister is being relevant to your question, Senator Ruston. Minister McAllister, please continue. Senator McALLISTER: As Senator Ruston knows, the purpose of the aged-care reforms, which we were grateful to receive bipartisan support for, is in part to address questions of a waiting list. It is also to make sure that aged care is delivered with the quality assurance and the standards that older Australians and their families expect. It's an important reform, and we are proud to deliver it. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, first supplementary.