Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:17): I would make the point to those opposite—and I'm conscious that people are interested in this issue—that we on this side think that climate change is real. We on this side think that net zero is an important commitment for our economy. We on this side understand that the global economy is moving to net zero, and we have to compete in such a world. Senator Cash: President, I raise a point of order in relation to direct relevance. There were a number of words that the minister could have referred to—'will', 'your', 'out', 'any', 'of' or 'on'. 'Climate change', though, wasn't one of them, so I would ask you to draw the minister to the question. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Cash. Minister Ayres? Senator Ayres: Even a casual listening to— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ayres, why are you on your feet? Senator Ayres: Apart from stretching—on the point of order, she's clearly being relevant. The question was about carbon border adjustments, and she was directly referring to it. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Cash and Senator Ayres. The minister is being relevant, and I will continue to listen to her answers. Senator WONG: Perhaps I should start with this proposition: carbon is relevant to climate. If you actually want a policy in relation to climate change and you want to try and reduce the emissions in your economy to net zero, it turns out you actually have to think about carbon emissions. This is part of the sensible economic approach that we are taking to the issue of climate change, and it stands in stark contrast to that of those opposite. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, second supplementary?