Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:15): I'm wondering if this is the next iteration of a scare campaign. I'm asked about tariffs. It's a useful question, and I hope that Senator Farrell will be able to contribute more to the chamber later today on this issue, because, of course, what the government is doing is seeking to reduce tariffs. This was one of the issues, I recollect, that the economic roundtable did discuss. We on this side of the chamber have a view—and I would've hoped it was a similar view—that tariffs are an impost upon consumers. We have a very clear view— Senator Duniam: President, a point of order on direct relevance—I've asked specifically about a particular tariff, not other things the government may or may not be doing. I ask you to draw the minister to the question. The PRESIDENT: I believe the minister is being relevant, but I'll continue to listen carefully, Senator Duniam. Senator WONG: I think this is fundamentally a net zero question, and you might recall— Senator Cash interjecting— Senator WONG: Well, of course it is. Honourable senators interjecting— Senator WONG: Okay, perhaps we should just go back to basics. When you try to reduce emissions in your country, you also have to look at what is happening elsewhere, and, when you have emissions-intensive industries, you obviously have to look at their competitiveness and consider that in terms of your domestic mechanisms. That's the basic economics of it. That has been taken into account in the safeguard mechanism. You might recall that previously the government has consulted with those industries for whom these are issues, and we'll continue, I'm sure, in the context of the setting of the next target, to consult with industries that are affected. The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, first supplementary?