Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations) (14:34): Thanks very much, Senator Tyrrell, for the question. I do appreciate getting questions from Senator Tyrrell, because I think Senator Tyrrell has asked me more questions than Senator Cash has in the entire time I have been in the industrial relations portfolio. In fact, it was 7 September 2023 that Senator Cash last asked a question about industrial relations. She went— The PRESIDENT: Minister Watt, I am going to draw you to the question. Senator WATT: I think Senator Tyrrell will appreciate this and I will get to the point shortly. Senator Cash went the entire year of 2024 without asking an industrial relations question, and that's because she knows her record is so bad. The PRESIDENT: Minister Watt! Senator Tyrrell, on a point of order? Senator Tyrrell: Thank you, President, for drawing Senator Watt back to the question. Can we reinforce that? The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, when I draw you back to the question, I do expect to you be drawn back to the question. Senator WATT: Thanks, Senator Tyrell. We share your interest in supporting graduates when it comes to their HELP debts. We have, as I'm sure you would be aware, announced a couple of different measures to assist in that regard. First of all—I think it was this year's budget; it may have been last year's budget—we adjusted the indexation rate for university graduates and also for VET graduates. There's been a lot of attention on the benefits of these changes for university graduates, but, equally, they benefit graduates from vocational education and training courses who've taken out loans as well. That indexation rate has been adjusted to try to make life easier. We've also made a commitment that, should we be elected to a second term in office, we will discount the debts owed by graduates of either universities or vocational education by 20 per cent, something that I think has been very well received by students and graduates right around the country, including in Tasmania. We know that Mr Dutton and the coalition opposed that measure, just as they have opposed every single step that we've taken to assist with the cost of living for your constituents in Tasmania. You would have seen this week, Senator Tyrell, that we've made an additional announcement about helping graduates with their home loans through changes in HELP, and we'll continue to take that work up. The PRESIDENT: Senator Tyrrell, first supplementary?