Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:35): There's a certain irony here that perhaps you haven't noticed, Senator Pocock. You want more spending on senators in the ACT, but you're opposed to the parties getting more public contribution to the election process. There's a certain irony about the position that you're promoting. Can I say this: I've been in the role of Special Minister of State now for some years. I'm on the record as supporting increased Senate representation. And I've said this to you every time you've raised it with me—you grab me in the corridors here and say, 'Senator, can I talk to you about this?' I say to you: 'Look, we're going to have a look at this after the next election. Now is not the time to do it.' But can I say this? There was— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Van? Just a moment, Senator Van. Please resume your seat. Senator David Pocock: I'm keen for a second supplementary if possible, President. The PRESIDENT: Did I cut you short? Senator David Pocock: Sorry; I know they're not comfortable questions! But— The PRESIDENT: Senator Pocock, my apologies. I thought that was your second supplementary. Please go ahead.