Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for Emergency Management and Minister for Cities) (14:27): It can be at difficult times to answer a question that is entirely unresponsive to the information that's already been provided, so I will go back to the original information that I gave you, Senator, which is this: as part of our Nature Positive Plan, we have said that native forest logging will be regulated under national environment laws for the first time ever through national environment standards. We have put this proposition forward, and we have sought support in this chamber for the reform package. Tranche 2 is in front of you. You have yet to explain why you won't vote for those laws, which improve penalties, which improve information-gathering powers and which establish a better architecture to police environment laws and— Senator McKim interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister McAllister, please resume your seat. Senator McKim, please take up my invitation to either cease your interjections or leave the chamber. Minister McAllister, please continue. Senator McALLISTER: I understand that we are approaching an election and that this is a favourite area for the Greens, but the actual truth that they can't escape is that there are environment laws before this chamber that they are refusing— (Time expired)