Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (15:00): I do think it's really unfortunate that Senator Thorpe does use the Senate as a place to cause further division for First Nations people in this country. I do believe that Senator Thorpe has a responsibility— The PRESIDENT: Minister McCarthy, please resume your seat. Senator Thorpe? Senator Thorpe: Point of order: what was that? The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, that's not a point of order. Senator Thorpe, please resume your seat. Minister McCarthy, please continue. Senator McCARTHY: I will always use the Senate as an opportunity to bring about greater unity in this country and greater understanding, no matter how appalling our history has been, in terms of the high rates of removal— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator McCARTHY: And I ask the senators opposite to show some respect about the high rates of removal of First Nations children— The PRESIDENT: Minister McCarthy, please resume your seat. I have Senator Thorpe on her feet. Senator Thorpe. Senator Thorpe: President, the point of order is on relevance to my question. The PRESIDENT: The minister is being relevant to your question, Senator Thorpe. You asked the minister about leadership. The minister is talking directly about leadership. Please resume your seat. Minister McCarthy. Senator McCARTHY: Thank you, President. I also thank Indigenous leaders and families across the country, especially in Victoria in terms of the push for treaty and the Yoorrook commission, and all of those working across the other states and jurisdictions in terms of the high rates of removal of First Nations people. I think it's important. We are doing the best that we can, and I do urge all senators—Senator Thorpe included—to remember that this is a place to use for the betterment of our country. Senator Wong: President, I ask that further questions be placed on the Notice Paper.