Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for Emergency Management and Minister for Cities) (14:14): We're back on this subject again. I have been clear, on behalf of the minister, that the minister does apply the law assiduously when decisions are put before her. It's a different approach to the approach that has been advocated by those opposite, who over the course of last couple of weeks have essentially advocated that projects they like should be approved and projects they don't like should be rejected— Senator Cash interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash, it's not your question. Senator McALLISTER: based on who the applicant is and based on the technology that the applicant or the proponent is bringing forward. Well, that is not the approach taken by the government. Incidentally, it's not dissimilar to what we get from down the other end of the chamber. We get a similar kind of proposal from the Australian Greens, who routinely come into this chamber and demand that the minister reject this proposal or that proposal. None of this is in the national interest. What is in the national interest is an actual framework that allows proponents, community organisations and ordinary people to understand the law that applies and to understand and have confidence that the minister will indeed apply that law impartially, based on the evidence that is before her. The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam? Senator Duniam: Point of order on relevance, President: I did ask specifically whether the government, who write the laws of this country, would change the laws, not apply the ones that exist. The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, you also referred to the way in which the minister made the decision in the first part of your question, and the minister is being relevant. Minister McAllister, please continue. Senator McALLISTER: Thanks, President. The senator asks about law reform, and I had understood that there was a consensus across this chamber that law reform in relation to cultural heritage was required. After the Juukan Gorge disaster, all parties—including the Liberal Party, as I understood—undertook to reform these laws. Indeed, Ms Ley was one of the people who made numerous public comments about this. This law reform process is underway, and the reform processes for these laws and others in this area are ones we would hope you would support. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, first supplementary?