Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:58): We obviously have a very deep and important relationship with the United Kingdom, but I think even they would recognise that we might get a bit more sun here. I reckon even they might recognise we have a bit more land here. I think even they would recognise that we might have the ability to look to renewables that are more challenging for them. I want to say this to those opposite: if this is so great, why have we seen so many state Liberals refuse to back you in? Why have we seen Mr Speakman—I didn't know who he was; I now know who he is—say, 'We can't wait for nuclear'? The PRESIDENT: Minister Wong, please resume your seat. Senator Birmingham interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, order! Senator Birmingham, there are 13 seconds remaining and you are on your feet. Senator Birmingham: I am on my feet, with a point of order on relevance. The point of order on relevance is: why is it that Senator Wong doesn't want to talk about the UK Labour Party and their strong, clear endorsement in relation to nuclear energy? Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, that is a debating point. Senator Watt? Senator Watt: On the point of order: it's highly relevant for Senator Wong to be addressing the question asked by the opposition and providing the further detail that they were seeking, so I ask you to rule against the point of order. The PRESIDENT: There was so much noise in the chamber. I did dismiss the point raised by Senator Birmingham, because it is a debating point. Senator WONG: I'm very happy. I wasn't trying to be gratuitous; I genuinely did not know who the person was. He said we can't wait for nuclear. John Pesutto has made his view clear. He said, 'I'm not raising down the nuclear path.' Peter Walsh has made the same point. The PRESIDENT: The time for answering has expired. Senator Wong: I ask that further questions be placed on the Notice Paper.