Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:17): I thank Senator Reynolds for the question. They will see the results of this government's measured, responsible plan of rolling out renewables over the long term ease their energy bills, and we know that because renewables, firmed up with storage and gas, are the cheapest form of energy transition, unlike the risky plan that's been outlined by Peter Dutton, Mr Dutton—it seems by mistake in an interview, where he walked away from the 2030 targets when he meant to walk away from the 2050 target—to adopt the most expensive form of energy generation in a way that nobody can describe. None of you can describe it here, including the cost—not only what it'll cost to build or how much it'll contribute to the energy grid but also what it means for energy bills, what households will pay for Mr Dutton's risky plan.