Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:13): Well, $300 less as a consequence of the price relief that we put in place that you don't support. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator WONG: And I hear the interjections on that side about why that's a bad idea. They really don't learn, do they? That you want to come in here and talk about cheaper energy bills after you have opposed energy price relief is really galling to Australians. You can't pretend that you care about cost of living if you're not prepared to back in the policies that are about dealing with people's cost-of-living pressures. That's the reality. From the experts it is clear that renewables are the cheapest form of new energy, far cheaper than the nuclear fantasy that you are adopting—an expensive plan which will ensure more delays, less supply in the interim and higher costs for Australians. That's what it means. What I would say to those opposite is that you trashed the energy system as a consequence of 22 policies in government, where 24 out of 28— The PRESIDENT: Minister Wong, please resume your seat. Senator Duniam. Senator Duniam: I raise a point of order on relevance. I was asking the minister exactly how much power prices have increased since the ill-fated promise. We haven't heard one sentence on that. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Duniam. I am happy to draw the minister back to the question, but I will also remind senators that, if you interject, the senator—whoever is answering—is entitled to take those interjections, and there were lots of interjections, which Minister Wong also addressed, which she's entitled to do. Minister Wong. Senator WONG: As I said, there's a $300 energy bill rebate to every household and additional energy relief to small businesses. But I would say this: what we know is that under those opposite 24 out of 28 coal-fired power stations announced closures. How many people sought to enter the system? Almost zilch, if any. Do you know why? It was because your division and your inaction and your internal fights and your anti-renewables obsession made sure that the market had no certainty. It had no certainty, and—do you know what?—you're still at it. The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, first supplementary?