Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:38): I thank Senator McDonald for her question. The fundamental issue that you raise, of course, is the reliability of gas supplies, particularly as they relate to the east coast of Australia. Of course, what happened was that, when we came to government almost two years ago, we discovered that the inaction of the former government over those previous 10 years had left Australia vulnerable to a shortage of available gas. Of course, what we immediately started to do, particularly under Minister Madeleine King, was to set about to ensure that we had a continued reliable supply of gas. The PRESIDENT: Senator McDonald? Senator McDonald: Relevance—please draw the minister back to the specific question about new offshore petroleum exploration permits since 2022. The PRESIDENT: You did talk about the Gippsland and other pieces of information in your question. I will continue to listen to the minister, but I do believe he's being relevant. Minister Farrell. Senator FARRELL: The reality is that we were left in the worst of possible positions as a result of the inaction of the former government in dealing with the shortage of supply. Unlike the Greens, who'd like to switch off gas today and leave us with a shortfall, this government is determined that gas will be part of the transition to a renewable future. There's no minister in this government that understands that better than Minister King, and she is working to ensure— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator McDonald, first supplementary?