Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:48): I think this goes to the point I've just made about the fact that digital ID is required for businesses engaging with, say, the ATO at the moment—or a director's ID to minimise the risk of fraud. But, in relation to a person, creating or not creating a digital ID for themselves for their personal engagement with government remains voluntary. In fact, the bill states that government services—because of course we can't mandate in the private sector—must maintain an option— Senator Canavan: A point of order on relevance: the question went to the specific terms of the bill in section 74 and the terms of the exemption. The minister hasn't answered that part of the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Canavan, I will remind you that you can't, as I'm sure you know, ask about the detailed provisions of a bill that is before the parliament. I think the minister is being relevant to Senator Babet's question. Minister, I'll ask you to continue. Senator GALLAGHER: I answered that at the outset, which was reflecting the current arrangements at the moment for myGovID to be mandated for certain engagements with business or corporations but not for individuals. The PRESIDENT: Senator Babet, second supplementary?