Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:35): I don't have the Tasmanian data in yet, but I did update the chamber on some of the early data that we've been seeing in Logan and Ipswich, where the clinics have been open for a bit longer. We have seen in Ipswich, for example, that the number of urgent or semi-urgent cases has dropped significantly. It was actually 25 per cent lower in September than it was in August or July. It's a similar story at the Logan Hospital, with 10 per cent fewer presentations in September. So this is something that we are hopeful for. Obviously, there are two aspects to it: it's about taking pressure off emergency departments, but it's also about providing families and people with accessible health care that's bulk-billed out of hours. The PRESIDENT: Senator Tyrrell, second supplementary?